In this episode Matt Kelly and I go meta as we podcast about another podcast that Matt posted this week on his site, Radical Compliance, where he interviewed Paul Sobel, the incoming Chairman of COSO. We discuss how Sobel sees his new role at COSO, some of the initiatives that he has in mind for the organization and how companies can use the various COSO frameworks, including the Internal Controls and ERM frameworks to better manage risk some the strategic perspective.

We use the Sobel interview as a starting point to consider how Boards of Directors can think about risk management for a wide variety of issues, from climate change to cybersecurity to sustainability. We also discuss how the COSO frameworks can be used in conjunction with more tactical forms to create a more robust overall risk management program. Join Matt and myself as we go meta this week and take going into the weeds to a new level.

For Matt Kelly’s interview with Paul Sobol click here.

For Matt Kelly’s blog post on the COSO ERM Framework see, “COSO Debuts Final ERM Framework

For Tom Fox’s blog post on the COSO ERM Framework see, The COSO ERM Framework