Compliance into the Weeds is the only weekly podcast which takes a deep dive into a compliance related topic, literally going into the weeds to more fully explore a subject. In this episode, Matt Kelly and I take a deep dive into a debate started when Michigan State University Interim President John Engler said that the role of compliance is to spot red flags which arise from the violations of policies and procedures. He was excoriated for this by Detroit Free Press columnist Rochelle Riley who said there were plenty of red flags about Larry Nassar but there was no commitment from senior management to stop the conduct. All of this begs the question: what is ethics and compliance?

We use this dialogue as a starting point to discuss some of the following:

  1. What is ethics and compliance?
  2. Are empathy and escalation equally important to compliance as policies and procedures?
  3. When you have a top dog claiming those who report abuse are doing it only to receive compensation, can you ever have a trusting relationship with those below you?
  4. How can any organization respond to reputational damage in the current atmosphere?

We unpack of all these points and consider the implications for corporate compliance programs.

For more reading: see Matt’s piece Another Compliance Lesson From Michigan State

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